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This is the place for all things recovery, healing, and relationships. We explore a variety of topics with people in recovery and the professionals who help them through personal stories. This podcast will give you a broad look at the aspects of recovery that make a difference.
This is the place for all things recovery, healing, and relationships. We explore a variety of topics with people in recovery and the professionals who help them through personal stories. This podcast will give you a broad look at the aspects of recovery that make a difference.
Episodes

Wednesday Jul 23, 2025
Episode 325: 🎯 You’re not in trouble—you’re just triggered.
Wednesday Jul 23, 2025
Wednesday Jul 23, 2025
What if the fear of getting in trouble isn’t about now, but about then?
In this episode, Jackie unpacks a powerful truth many adults need to hear: Functional adults don’t “get in trouble.”
But if you grew up with shame-based discipline, that fear can still run the show—causing you to shrink, lash out, or disappear when you make a mistake.
We explore:
Why emotional flashbacks feel like punishment
How unresolved childhood shame keeps us stuck
What real accountability looks like in adult relationships
Why learning emotional regulation is more powerful than punishment
If you find yourself avoiding conflict, feeling like you’re “bad” for messing up, or overcorrecting your kids because you weren’t allowed to mess up growing up, this episode is for you.
Listen now to Adults Don’t Get in Trouble—available wherever you get your podcasts.
Tap the link in bio to tune in and start reclaiming your functional adulthood.
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Wednesday Jul 16, 2025
Episode 324: Why Men Are Afraid of Women
Wednesday Jul 16, 2025
Wednesday Jul 16, 2025
Why Men Are Afraid of Women
What if fear—not hatred or indifference—is what’s driving the disconnection between men and women?
In this episode, Jackie sits down with Gary Katz, LCSW, CSAT, to explore a surprising but deeply human truth: many men are afraid of women. But not in the way you might think.
We talk about:
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What men are actually afraid of when it comes to women
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How early attachment wounds and social messaging shape male fear
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The link between fear, control, and intimacy avoidance
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How this fear shows up in sex addiction, betrayal, and emotional disconnection
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What healing looks like—for both men and the people who love them
This is a nuanced and honest conversation about masculinity, shame, vulnerability, and the path forward. Whether you’re a man trying to make sense of your own fear or someone impacted by it, this episode offers insight and compassion for the work ahead.
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Wednesday Jul 09, 2025
The Art of Being Yourself Without Losing Connection
Wednesday Jul 09, 2025
Wednesday Jul 09, 2025
In this episode, Jackie explores the concept of differentiation, which is the ability to be your own person while maintaining connections with others. Jackie emphasizes the importance of emotional self-regulation, balancing personal needs with those of others, and the journey of self-discovery. She discusses the challenges of false differentiation, where individuals may assert their independence in ways that are not genuinely reflective of their true selves, and offers practical steps for developing differentiation.

Wednesday Jul 02, 2025
Episdoe 322: Relationships Can Be An Algorithm
Wednesday Jul 02, 2025
Wednesday Jul 02, 2025
In this conversation, Zoey Charif discusses her journey from studying criminology to exploring the complexities of relationships, with a particular focus on self-worth, values, and communication. She introduces her framework for understanding relationship dynamics, including the importance of self-awareness and the impact of family backgrounds. She also covers the significance of recognizing patterns in attraction and the necessity of ongoing work in relationships to maintain a healthy connection.

Wednesday Jun 25, 2025
Episode 321: The Business of Mental Health: What Happens When Therapy Goes Corporate.
Wednesday Jun 25, 2025
Wednesday Jun 25, 2025
In this conversation, Jackie and Rachel discuss the impact of large corporate mental health platforms on the therapy field. They examine the rise of teletherapy during the COVID-19 pandemic, the business models of these platforms, and the ethical concerns surrounding therapist qualifications and client access to care. The discussion also touches on the quality of therapy provided through these platforms, the implications of AI in mental health, and the future of therapy in a rapidly changing landscape.

Wednesday Jun 18, 2025
Episode 320: Self-sabotage in Recovery
Wednesday Jun 18, 2025
Wednesday Jun 18, 2025
In this podcast episode, Jackie interviews Cody Smith, a newer intern at Healing Paths, who shares his journey into addiction recovery work. They discuss the concept of self-sabotage in recovery, exploring how behaviors can hinder progress and the importance of understanding the underlying issues.

Wednesday Jun 11, 2025
Episode 319: Primary and Secondary Emotions
Wednesday Jun 11, 2025
Wednesday Jun 11, 2025

Wednesday Jun 04, 2025
Episode 318: Sex Addiction
Wednesday Jun 04, 2025
Wednesday Jun 04, 2025
A Process Addiction. In this episode, Jackie delves into the complexities of sex addiction as a form of process addiction, exploring its connections to emotional regulation, trauma, and mental health. She discusses the stigma surrounding sex addiction, the cycle of addiction, and the importance of effective therapeutic approaches for recovery. The approach to treatment is not the same for all sex addicts, and it's essential to know the difference.

Wednesday May 28, 2025
Episode 317: Talking to teens about sex in the digital age.
Wednesday May 28, 2025
Wednesday May 28, 2025
In this episode, Jackie shares a story about a conversation with a father concerned about raising his sons in today's digital world, particularly regarding the impact of social media and shame on adolescent sexuality. By being an 'askable adult', parents can foster a supportive atmosphere where teens feel comfortable discussing sensitive topics. The conversation highlights the significance of empathy, boundaries, and trust in navigating digital interactions, ultimately aiming to empower parents and teens to engage in healthy discussions about sexuality.

Wednesday May 14, 2025
Episode 316: First-order Change vs. Second-order change
Wednesday May 14, 2025
Wednesday May 14, 2025
In this episode, Jackie discusses the concepts of first order change and second-order change, particularly in the context of addiction and recovery. She emphasizes the importance of understanding the difference between superficial changes that do not address underlying issues and deeper, transformational changes that can lead to lasting recovery.
